Wilson vs. Hitchens: Is Christianity Good for the World?
A transcript of the debate (.pdf) can be found here.
Faith as True Vis-à-vis Its Irrationality
Introduction
The following passage can be found on pages 41 and 42 of John Wilkinson’s No Argument for God: Going Beyond Reason in Conversations about Faith:
One of the central questions of this book is whether faith is actually more real because of its inability to fit into the things that we know. Think about this for a moment. What if the truest things in the world are those that are most elusive? In some sort of strange, paradoxical way perhaps the most logical thing about faith is its apparent irrationality.1
Wilkinson is suggesting we can judge how true a religious claim is by how much sense it makes — if it sounds as if it originated from within or outside human imagination. If a claim appears as if it came from a human mind, then it is not as likely to be true as the claim that appears as if it originated outside the human mind (cf. chapter 13). Wilkinson demonstrates this point by highlight differences between karma and grace; the latter so utterly against sense and reason that it is most likely the truth out of the two.
A similar ‘argument’ can be gleaned from discussions where Christianity is deemed the product of Freudian wish-fulfillment, or some such thing. Christians would be quick to point out the doctrines of hell, sin, grace and the need of a Savior as colliding with the idea of Christianity qua wish-fulfillment. One can then conceive of Wilkinson extending this argument into the realm of religious claims. But how does our author’s suggestion fair under examination?
What Makes Sense?
The first problem I foresee for Wilkinson’s ‘argument from rationality’ is the ‘anthropological problem,’ otherwise the ‘problem from human experience’. Put simply, human experience varies greatly depending on culture, geography, historical period, etc. What makes sense (is ‘rational’ is Wilkinson’s usage) to one culture might not make sense to another, and vice-versa. Consider an example; in the year 2011 I have a good understanding of how weather systems work, and that sacrificing such-and-such to this-or-that god will not result in rainfall, good crop yield, etc. In the year 800 B.c.e., however, one might reasonably believe (that is, it makes sense) that sacrificing a goat or child to this-or-that god will result in rainfall, good crop yield, etc. Given such disparity in human experience, how can one reasonably make an appeal like the one suggested by our author? Read More
- John Wilkinson, No Argument for Going: Going Beyond Reason in Conversations about Faith (Downer’s Grove: Intervarsity Press, 2011), p. 42–43. ↩
Challenging Faith
It is apparently a mystery (to some) why I still have faith.
You see, those that happen upon my collection of books sometimes express amazement that I still have my faith, with the sort of reading I do (their words). When they look into my ‘office’ (i.e. my half of the living room), the top of one of my bookshelves greets them with the following titles:
- The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
- god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens
- The End of Faith by Sam Harris
- Letter of a Christian Nation by Sam Harris
- Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon by Daniel Dennett
- Why I am not a Christian by Bertrand Russell
- God’s Problem by Bart Ehrman
- Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman
- Jesus for the non-Religious by John Shelby Spong
- The Sins of Scripture by John Shelby Spong
- The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
- The Christian Delusion by John W. Loftus et al.
- Everything Nietzsche wrote…
- The Religious Case against Belief by James P. Carse
I have had acquaintances ask me what these books say, how they are to read, if I’d recommend them, and yet they will refuse to read them themselves (one even refused to touch The God Delusion, let alone read it).
Should it be a surprise, given my small library of ‘anti-Christian’ books, that those meandering through my living room might express surprise at my ongoing and seemingly unperturbed faith? I don’t think it should. What should be surprising is that some feel that the investigation and challenging of their faith will eventually lead to the abandonment of that faith. My concern is for truth, and I think everyone’s concern should be truth.
I would like to think that if something is true, then it is true regardless of how we might challenge it, or what case against it we might come up with. If the Christian faith is true, it is secure regardless of the challenges it faces. It is the same for any truth, and I think that only makes sense. So when I read a book like any of the above, I do a couple things: (1) I try to be as open as possible to what’s being said, (2) I try to be as objective as possible to the arguments provided, and (3) I try to give a fair hearing to the conclusions drawn, regardless of any prior commitments I hold. In other words, I read these books in the hope that they will actually challenge my faith. I want to know whether my faith is true or false, and I’m probably not going to find that out if I stick to books written by those sharing my existing beliefs.
Here’s a little known fact about myself: I went and subsequently left ‘Bible College’ (I’m now studying for a degree in Religious Studies) because there was too much agreeing and not enough challenging. It just wasn’t challenging enough, both academically and towards my beliefs.
So, that’s why I still have faith. As for those books above, I didn’t find them convincing. They were challenging and raised a slew of good questions / objections, to be sure… But they weren’t convincing. I still have my faith because I’m not afraid to challenge it and grapple with doubt. For those who don’t challenge their faith, well frankly, I don’t understand how they’ve managed to hold onto it for so long.
On the topic of Faith
Have you ever heard someone say, “If there were proof of God, then there would be no room for faith”? It’s a shallow bit of thinking, in part because it represents an incomplete view of faith. Tragically, I think many Christians especially have uncritically adopted a view of faith which is more in line with what’s traditionally been known as blind faith. it is a faith that is without proof or evidence, a faith which is fundamentally irrational. What an inconsistent and misguided understanding of faith, especially for those Christians who have ever taken the time to sit down and read the Bible!
Biblical Faith contra Modern Faith
When a modern person talks about faith, it quickly becomes apparent that they don’t mean the same thing by ‘faith’ that Scripture means. This is most evident in Hebrews 111, recognized for listing the heroes of the ‘faith’. Consider the first words we first happen upon in chapter 11, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen“2. The modern reads this and stops, exclaiming, “There you have it! Faith is blind. There is no proof for it, no arguments for it; it is belief in absence!” This might be alright if the entire Bible were just these first two verses of Hebrews 11, but it isn’t.
The most definitive refutation of this understanding of faith is the remainder of Hebrews 11… And, frankly, the rest of the Bible.
Let’s first look to v. 8, “By Faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to set out for a place that he was to receive as an inheritance; and he set out not knowing where he was going”. That Abraham acted through faith is important, but what is equally important is the phrase “when he was called to set out for a place”. How did Abraham know he was called? Now turn to v. 17, “By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac”. Who instructed Abraham? Think now of Moses, and skip to v. 27, “By faith he left Egypt, unafraid of the king’s anger; for her persevered as though he saw him who is invisible”. Consider Moses’ experience leading up to the Exodus.
What these verses highlight is an evidenced faith. God had proven Himself to these men, and they followed in faith. Their faith had a rational and experiential foundation. Throughout the books of Genesis and Exodus, and the entirety of Scripture, we read of those — such as Abraham and Moses — following after God in faith after encounters which would satisfy even the most hardened modern skeptic. Here are a few more examples:
- Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden (Gen. 1 –3), who walked with God yet lacked faith.
- Noah, whom God spoke to (Gen. 6).
- The prophets of the Old Testament: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Samuel, etc.
- The apostles, who walked with Christ.
- Paul, who encountered Christ.
- Mary and the women who discovered the empty tomb.
- Every believer… (Proof does not remove doubt, nor faith. This should be quite obvious).
Now that we’ve done away with the errant modern conception of faith, how do we reconcile Hebrews 11 with the reality that many in Scripture (and every believer today) encounters God in a irrefutable way.
Confusion Quickly Clarified
Above I attempted to show that the biblical concept of faith is based upon a knowable and trustworthy God. As things would have it, Hebrews 11 agrees.
The Harper-Collins Study Bible contains the following note concerning v.1,“The word translated by assurance (Greek hypostasis)… is not simply a subjective attitude; unseen realities are tested and ‘proved’ by experience”. The ESV study bible agrees, adding that, “biblical faith is not a vague hop grounded in imaginary, wishful thinking… Biblical faith is not blind trust in the face of contrary evidence, not an unknowable ‘leap in the dark’”. Faith is trusting in the promises of God, as much as, if not more, than it is holding a general belief that God exists.
The issue with the modern concept of faith is that it ends at the proposition ‘God exists’. If anyone could prove that God exists, then faith isn’t necessary. But faith isn’t only about knowing that God exists (cf. James 2:19), it is also about trusting in the promises of God, a trust built upon experience. In this way our knowing whether or not God exists becomes secondary, as does any proof we might proffer for God’s existence. An important aspect of biblical faith is that it is relational.
Coming back to things…
The Christian cannot accept the modernist conception of faith — it directly opposes what Scripture teaches us about the nature of faith. We ought to keep in mind that faith is more more than believing propositions, it is trusting in a relationship. With this in mind, we ought to be able to properly approach any discussion concerning faith, and correct those who would undermine faith as understood biblically, removing any possibility of certainty.
Just Arrived: Is God a Moral Monster, by Paul Copan
Last year I linked to an article written by philosopher Paul Copan, titled “Is YHWH a Moral Monster”? Less than a year later we now have a book, Is God a Moral Monster? Making sense of the Old Testament. My thinking is that one cannot read too many books on this subject.
So anyway, this effort is an attempt to explain (near as I can tell) why the God of the Old Testament is the way he is. It’s no secret that the God of the Old Testament appears so different from the Jesus of the New Testament — unloving, unkind, wrathful, vengeful, etc. - that some have gone so far as to rid themselves of the Old Testament entirely (beginning with Marcion and the heresy of Marcionism).
In his highly praised and criticized book The God Delusion, ethologist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins had the following to say about the God of the Old Testament, and I dare say many share his thoughts:
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all of fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.1
That about says it, doesn’t it? In any case, the back-cover states that Copan will address some of the most common concerns regarding the God of the Old Testament, such as his seeming arrogance and jealousy, his endorsement of slavery and harsh treatment of people, his oppression of women and consent towards genocide and violence.
It will be interesting to see how Copans develops this book. In the mean time, there have been some exchanges between Paul Copan, Hector Avalaos, Matthew Flannagan, and Thom Stark concerning Copan’s answers, so if you can’t wait for my review, you might see for yourself (be prepared to do some reading — Thom Stark’s response is book length).
- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (New York: Houghton Mifflin), p. 31. ↩
Gossip
To most people I’m not an easy person to get to know, because I expect an investment or commitment of some sort from the person trying to get to know me (e.g. to demonstrate why they want to know what they want to know). This puts enough people off that they will settle for what they think of me, and once they have decided what they think of me, they will promptly tell my wife while avoiding me altogether.
There is the art of conversation, and then there is getting to truly know someone. Don’t confuse the two; the first uses people for the sake of conversation, the latter uses conversation for the sake of people.
A Pastor’s Education
John Wesley once said the following:
Ought not a Minister to have, First, a good understanding, a clear apprehension, a sound judgment, and a capacity of reasoning with some closeness?1
Have you ever encountered a ‘selfish’ church? A church which tries to keep ‘their’ pastor to themselves? I have. I’ve encountered churches that cringed at the thought of letting their pastor go to some conference, because it meant their pastor couldn’t preach that particular Sunday. I’ve encountered churches that cringed at the idea of allowing others to preach, or give a message, in addition to the pastor. I’ve encountered churches whose members first thought, when their pastor makes a request, is “But that will mess up my…” Pastor’s aren’t owned by churches, or at least they shouldn’t be. Any church which goes to such a degree as described above, is a church that needs a good shake. Any congregation or church board who thinks of themselves before their pastor, when their pastor makes a request, needs to learn their place.
A question: who would you hire or trust more (all things being equal), the college graduate or the college graduate with experience? The teacher out of teachers college, or the teacher with experience? The doctor straight out of med school, or the doctor with experience? Experience is just as important as education — in many ways it is education. So why would a church cringe at the idea of their pastor leaving for a conference, or training seminar, or hands on whatever? It doesn’t make sense to me, does it make sense to you? Wouldn’t you want the leader of your church to be as educated and as capable as they could be? I certainly would.
The thing about it is this: when we learn, we grow — this seems so basic it shouldn’t need pointing out. To refuse to allow a pastor the opportunity to grow is incredibly selfish. Refusing to allow another the opportunity to educate themselves further (esp. in their trained field) is near about absurd as one can get. Regardless of the obscene tuition I’m paying that may say otherwise, you can’t put a price on education, so if you’re a member of a church or church board, be considerate of your pastor.
- John Wesley, “An Address to the Clergy,” in The Works of John Wesley, 3rd ed. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1979), p. 481. ↩
C.S. Lewis on the cost of love, and avoiding God.
First, Lewis on the cost of love:
“To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even to an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket– safe, dark, motionless, airless–it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable… The only place outside of Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers of perturbations of love is Hell.”1
Nod to William Vallicella of Maverick Philosopher for this quote from C.S. Lewis, on how to avoid God:
Avoid silence, avoid solitude, avoid any train of thought that leads off the beaten track. Concentrate on money, sex, status, health and (above all) on your own grievances. Keep the radio on. Live in a crowd. Use plenty of sedation. If you must read books, select them very carefully. But you’d be safer to stick to the papers. You’ll find the advertisements helpful; especially those with a sexy or a snobbish appeal. 2
Wierd Al, CNR
Earlier today I watched Charles Nelson Reilly’s The Life of Reilly. If you’re a Reilly fan, it’s worth the watch. In the mean time, Weird Al’s take on the legend of CNR — Charles Nelson Reilly.
Facebook Christianity
Some times I get in a mood where all I want to do is write. The problem is I don’t think I have anything to write about…
…So I’m going to say a few things about ‘Facebook Christianity’, and maybe find myself in trouble.
What do I mean about Facebook Christianity? A few things, actually. I mean the contradiction that may exist between a persons religious views and the content of their wall, photos, notes, etc. I mean the contradiction between a persons non-online actions and their incessant status updates about what God has done, is doing, or will do. I mean the false sense of community Facebook imbibes into its users.
Why then do Christians on Facebook advertize their faith in ways they otherwise wouldn’t?
Do you remember when people would incorrectly attribute “preach the gospel and if necessary use words” to St. Francis of Assisi, and then go about following the quote? There probably isn’t any need to remember this, I have acquaintances who recently quoted this very saying. There are, to be sure, problems with the above (least of all being false-attribution). But for the mean time lets take it as an overreaction against a gospel being preached but not lived by the preacher. I realize I’m being a bit liberal, but don’t worry, because the quote doesn’t really matter. What matters is this: I have never known any of my Christian friends to constantly let the world know what God is doing, or what they are praying for, or whatever. Facebook allows anyone to be a Christian without having to do anything; in other words, it promotes nominalism. It’s not just the crazy-street-preacher who has a soap-box, everyone does now, it’s called Facebook.
That’s not to say my friends are bad Christians. Rather, it is to say that if people said in real life what they write on Facebook, they would be considered annoying. Yes, I said it, annoying. When I go onto Facebook only to see an emotional roller-coaster ride of a news feed, filled with talk about God this and God that… It’s annoying. And it’s annoying me because it’s fake. Let me rephrase that, it’s fake in a lot of cases. It’s not always fake, but when it is, it’s annoying. When it’s not fake, it doesn’t bother me. Why? Authenticity. I don’t care if you can say a million good things about God — if you don’t live it, what you say doesn’t matter (compare this with the quote above).
How do I know these people are being fake? I know because alongside their stated religious view and incessant updates, they’ve got multiple horoscope applications and favourite-quotes by the most anti-Christian authors imaginable. And yet there they are supporting these things as if their faith actually allows for it. Guess what? It doesn’t. The contradiction bugs me, but I’m almost certain it turns off all those non-Christian friends they’re trying to reach. Do they get it? Do they see the contradiction between “Can’t wait to learn what God has in store for me today!” and “So-and-so has read such-and-such horoscope, read yours to find out what’s in store for you today!” Really? God is so great that they have to read a horoscope? God gave these people a brain (I’m almost positive), they need to start using it.
And listen, starting Facebook groups is not a substitute for church, or church activities. Here’s what it is: it’s like wearing a t-shirt that says “I’m a Christian,” to a mall. Big deal. Facebook-Christianity is the ‘new’ Sunday-Christianity (which, incidentally, is still a thriving past-time).
So here is what I’m saying, regardless of what I’ve said above: be authentic in your faith. Don’t use Facebook as your personal soap box. Think before you exclaim — every five minutes — what God is doing for you, as if you never expected God to do anything for you (so to those of you who wonder why I don’t become ecstatic when God has done something, it’s because I actually believe God can do things — go figure). Be consistent with what you write, the pictures you take, the things you do, the applications you install. People are watching. Don’t overdo your faith, there is such a thing as smothering.







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