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> <channel><title>Comments for Nascent Thinker | Contemplations Along The Way</title> <atom:link href="http://nascentthinker.org/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://nascentthinker.org</link> <description>&#34;Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto.&#34; - Peter Kreeft</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:57:18 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>Comment on Hell: Why don’t Christians do more? by Danielle eviden</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/hell-why-dont-christians-do-more/#comment-11536</link> <dc:creator>Danielle eviden</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:57:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=180#comment-11536</guid> <description>Especially since Paul in referring to His return said, ?? we don?? t grieve as the world?? ?? Jesus is our Hope in the midst of the storm.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially since Paul in referring to His return said, ?? we don?? t grieve as the world?? ?? Jesus is our Hope in the midst of the storm.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Christians sing lies? by Jeremy</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/christians-sing-lies/#comment-9230</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=2074#comment-9230</guid> <description>Andrew, good thoughts for sure :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, good thoughts for sure <img
src='http://nascentthinker.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Challenging Faith by Jeremy</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/challenging-faith/#comment-9229</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=4715#comment-9229</guid> <description>Thanks for the link, I&#039;ll definitely be checking it out :)
(Unfortunately, I&#039;m not able to update this blog as often as I would like: time constraints, and all those wonderful things. But as interest seems to have peaked recently, I&#039;ll make an effort to... make an effort.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, I’ll definitely be checking it out <img
src='http://nascentthinker.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br
/> (Unfortunately, I’m not able to update this blog as often as I would like: time constraints, and all those wonderful things. But as interest seems to have peaked recently, I’ll make an effort to… make an effort.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Challenging Faith by Julian</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/challenging-faith/#comment-9223</link> <dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=4715#comment-9223</guid> <description>interesting conversion story you might be interested in, since your aim is truth through intellectual inquiry. i found it inspiring as a student of truth myself (much interfering with the practical field of medicine that almost consumes you and allows no life of the mind). enjoy your blog and will be coming back for more.
http://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion-stories/atheist-converts/item/96-atheist-convert-rj-stove</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting conversion story you might be interested in, since your aim is truth through intellectual inquiry. i found it inspiring as a student of truth myself (much interfering with the practical field of medicine that almost consumes you and allows no life of the mind). enjoy your blog and will be coming back for more.</p><p><a
href="http://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion-stories/atheist-converts/item/96-atheist-convert-rj-stove" rel="nofollow">http://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion-stories/atheist-converts/item/96-atheist-convert-rj-stove</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Christians sing lies? by Andrew</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/christians-sing-lies/#comment-9210</link> <dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 03:29:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=2074#comment-9210</guid> <description>Great post. I have issues with &quot;Open Up The Sky&quot; EVERYtime we sing it. I just don&#039;t sing a couple lines...not just because they are &quot;untrue of me&quot; but because they are just &quot;untrue&quot;. Here is a response I just posted on another blog that was extolling the glory of that &#039;worship&#039; song:
I am somewhat hesitant to post this, but here goes: I have a real issue with this song and I&#039;ll tell you why in the nicest way that I can.
The songwriter evidently was trying to communicate the message of the &quot;Giver&quot; being infinitely more valuable than the &quot;Gift or Gifts&quot; which is true however, the choice of words, unfortunately, is causing believers everywhere to declare a statement that is really untrue.
No one on earth &quot;wants&quot; only God, no one. That person was Jesus. Even the disciples declared wants and needs. There is a big difference. Remember Peter made a similar declaration of &quot;his own love and devotion&quot; (as this song does) to Jesus when he said, &quot;Though all forsake you, I will remain.&quot; Then Jesus brought him back down to Earth quite directly informing him of his own heart&#039;s weakness. Peter was to be directly tested after making such a declaration. &quot;We don&#039;t want blessings we want you!&quot; sounds so romantic and lovey dovey, something my wife would LOVE for me to say to her daily. Something that is uttered between lovers in Hollywood dialogue on the screen constantly but is such a thing true? No. You see, we DO &quot;want&quot; blessings: health, life, friends, family, nourishment, water, peace...all of these things are &quot;blessings&quot; so we sing &quot;we don&#039;t want health...food...water...shelter...we want You!&quot; sounds Hollywood romantic, but God knows we want these things and Jesus Himself said that the Father &quot;knows we have need of these things&quot; so to sing that to Him and think it blesses him as a sweet aroma (what worship has the capacity to do) is really just self-deception.
We do want blessings, but we &quot;should&quot; mostly want the Lord. If the songwriter were to switch up the word to &quot;need&quot; I would have little issue with it. We don&#039;t &quot;need&quot; anything but You. That is a true statement through and through and I could sing that at the top of my voice. I think if someone sings &quot;I don&#039;t &#039;want&#039; anything but You&quot; they are either deceiving themselves or attempting to woo God by deceiving Him with empty romantic words. More the former than the latter I&#039;m quite sure.
There are plenty of these &quot;self extolling&quot; songs of love for God like the one that goes, &quot;I&#039;m yours Lord, everything I&#039;ve got, everything I am Lord and everything I&#039;m not. I&#039;m yours Lord, try me now and see...see if I can be completely yours.&quot; HORRIBLE
song - it declares the greatness of one&#039;s own faithfulness and devotion to the Lord, not of the devotion and faithfulness of God Almighty. AND...it cries out for testing which Jesus directly told us to ask the Father to not &quot;put us to the test&quot; when we pray! So why do I sing a song that is horribly unscriptural yet gooey with human romantic words that Jesus is supposed to swoon over?
Here is the bottom line to my little point: Whenever I sing something that is untrue...I can count on being tested in that thing shortly after. I just want people to know what it is they are singing and that they just might find themselves in the same place as Peter soon after &quot;wholeheartedly&quot; and publicly declaring it.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Andrew
truthforsaints.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I have issues with “Open Up The Sky” EVERYtime we sing it. I just don’t sing a couple lines…not just because they are “untrue of me” but because they are just “untrue”. Here is a response I just posted on another blog that was extolling the glory of that ‘worship’ song:</p><p>I am somewhat hesitant to post this, but here goes: I have a real issue with this song and I’ll tell you why in the nicest way that I can.</p><p>The songwriter evidently was trying to communicate the message of the “Giver” being infinitely more valuable than the “Gift or Gifts” which is true however, the choice of words, unfortunately, is causing believers everywhere to declare a statement that is really untrue.</p><p>No one on earth “wants” only God, no one. That person was Jesus. Even the disciples declared wants and needs. There is a big difference. Remember Peter made a similar declaration of “his own love and devotion” (as this song does) to Jesus when he said, “Though all forsake you, I will remain.” Then Jesus brought him back down to Earth quite directly informing him of his own heart’s weakness. Peter was to be directly tested after making such a declaration. “We don’t want blessings we want you!” sounds so romantic and lovey dovey, something my wife would LOVE for me to say to her daily. Something that is uttered between lovers in Hollywood dialogue on the screen constantly but is such a thing true? No. You see, we DO “want” blessings: health, life, friends, family, nourishment, water, peace…all of these things are “blessings” so we sing “we don’t want health…food…water…shelter…we want You!” sounds Hollywood romantic, but God knows we want these things and Jesus Himself said that the Father “knows we have need of these things” so to sing that to Him and think it blesses him as a sweet aroma (what worship has the capacity to do) is really just self-deception.</p><p>We do want blessings, but we “should” mostly want the Lord. If the songwriter were to switch up the word to “need” I would have little issue with it. We don’t “need” anything but You. That is a true statement through and through and I could sing that at the top of my voice. I think if someone sings “I don’t ‘want’ anything but You” they are either deceiving themselves or attempting to woo God by deceiving Him with empty romantic words. More the former than the latter I’m quite sure.</p><p>There are plenty of these “self extolling” songs of love for God like the one that goes, “I’m yours Lord, everything I’ve got, everything I am Lord and everything I’m not. I’m yours Lord, try me now and see…see if I can be completely yours.” HORRIBLE<br
/> song — it declares the greatness of one’s own faithfulness and devotion to the Lord, not of the devotion and faithfulness of God Almighty. AND…it cries out for testing which Jesus directly told us to ask the Father to not “put us to the test” when we pray! So why do I sing a song that is horribly unscriptural yet gooey with human romantic words that Jesus is supposed to swoon over?</p><p>Here is the bottom line to my little point: Whenever I sing something that is untrue…I can count on being tested in that thing shortly after. I just want people to know what it is they are singing and that they just might find themselves in the same place as Peter soon after “wholeheartedly” and publicly declaring it.</p><p>Thanks for letting me vent.</p><p>Andrew<br
/> truthforsaints.com</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Vultures by Jeremy</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/vultures/#comment-8910</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:29:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=3568#comment-8910</guid> <description>I&#039;ll check it out, thanks :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll check it out, thanks <img
src='http://nascentthinker.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Vultures by wtf</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/vultures/#comment-8808</link> <dc:creator>wtf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:27:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=3568#comment-8808</guid> <description>i just saw a movie about him and his buddys, pretty good one. &quot;The Bang Ban Club&quot; from 2011 with ryan phillipe and malin åkerman, check it out, it&#039;s worth it</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just saw a movie about him and his buddys, pretty good one. “The Bang Ban Club” from 2011 with ryan phillipe and malin åkerman, check it out, it’s worth it</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Christians sing lies? by Sarah</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/christians-sing-lies/#comment-8362</link> <dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:20:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=2074#comment-8362</guid> <description>Thank you so much for being one of the few Christians left with open ears and eyes. I am a worship leader and would never allow any of those songs at a church. And if you haven&#039;t heard it, there&#039;s also the &quot;rain, rain, rain on my face, on my face, fill me up, fill me up until I drown.&quot; I remember I first heard this at a Fall Revival (a mini weekend conference) as a student at Oral Roberts University. The group was leading worship for Revival. One for my floor mates jokingly turned to me during the song and said, &quot;If I had a fear of drowning, I would be having a panic attack right now.&quot; All jokes aside, I literally did a double take while singing some of these and almost felt like I had to repent for singing these songs. I found myself saying instead, &quot;Lord I want you wholeheartedly but I will receive any blessing you give me with thanksgiving.&quot; And, &quot;I will be satisfied and more than grateful with anything you give me, whether ordinary or great in my eyes.&quot; I think some of these writers generally have the right intentions in mind, but often fail to express it do to poor writing. And it&#039;s such a shame because this is the most delicate writing anyone can ever do! I mostly fear for those who are new christians. What are they walking away with? That they should demand God to stop giving them ordinary? Or that blessings are bad and only for the selfish? It&#039;s so important to make sure the lyrics will give long time christians a deep connection, but also that it won&#039;t confuse those who may not understand the character of God.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for being one of the few Christians left with open ears and eyes. I am a worship leader and would never allow any of those songs at a church. And if you haven’t heard it, there’s also the “rain, rain, rain on my face, on my face, fill me up, fill me up until I drown.” I remember I first heard this at a Fall Revival (a mini weekend conference) as a student at Oral Roberts University. The group was leading worship for Revival. One for my floor mates jokingly turned to me during the song and said, “If I had a fear of drowning, I would be having a panic attack right now.” All jokes aside, I literally did a double take while singing some of these and almost felt like I had to repent for singing these songs. I found myself saying instead, “Lord I want you wholeheartedly but I will receive any blessing you give me with thanksgiving.” And, “I will be satisfied and more than grateful with anything you give me, whether ordinary or great in my eyes.” I think some of these writers generally have the right intentions in mind, but often fail to express it do to poor writing. And it’s such a shame because this is the most delicate writing anyone can ever do! I mostly fear for those who are new christians. What are they walking away with? That they should demand God to stop giving them ordinary? Or that blessings are bad and only for the selfish? It’s so important to make sure the lyrics will give long time christians a deep connection, but also that it won’t confuse those who may not understand the character of God.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Book Review: Between Allah and Jesus by Peter Kreeft by adele</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/book-review-between-allah-and-jesus-by-peter-kreeft/#comment-8307</link> <dc:creator>adele</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:03:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=2329#comment-8307</guid> <description>I try to find this book in italian lenguage. You belive I can find it? (Exscuse me for my english) Thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to find this book in italian lenguage. You belive I can find it? (Exscuse me for my english) Thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Just Arrived: Is God a Moral Monster, by Paul Copan by Jeremy</title><link>http://nascentthinker.org/just-arrived-is-god-a-moral-monster-by-paul-copan/#comment-7408</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nascentthinker.org/?p=4692#comment-7408</guid> <description>Any reason I should take your view seriously, Kyle?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any reason I should take your view seriously, Kyle?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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